Question on Payouts

[Rich Parker]

I agree with Troy that the GC should get the largest percentage but paying anybody but first place is paying the "losers". How many of you guys would pay a $250 entry and the only chance of getting paid is if you win a category or GC? A few would but not enough for a comp to survive.

Organizers need a payout structure that is balanced so only the small percentage either way are complaining and keep the bulk of the teams happy.

I think the Sam's Series is the future of competition bbq.

[mikerobes]

Originally Posted by Extreme

Ridiculous, which contest has used this structure and how well received was it? .........

When you win an event it opens the door for invitations to compete at a national level, which is something many of us aspire to do, and that takes funds.

3rd Overall - $1,000
4th Overall - $750
5th Overall - $500
6th Overall - $250

This is paying the losers.


Troy

I resemble that remark
even losers need money

[BealeStreetWayne]

Originally Posted by spydermike72

How does this payout structure look ?? I cant take credit for this I got this from the KCBS...

Overall
Grand Champion - $2,000
Reserve Grand - $1,500
3rd Overall - $1,000
4th Overall - $750
5th Overall - $500
6th Overall - $250

Categories
1st in each category - $300
2nd in each category - $250
3rd in each category - $200
4th in each category - $150
5th in each category - $100

This assumes a $10,000 purse - Splitting anything less than a $10K purse is like getting the meat off of quail - your doing it for the fun (or as a qualifier) at that point. We could discuss the "numbers" forever, so here goes my attemp at the ridiculus:

Catagory winning $ looks OK as suggested above.

Overall winning split as follows:

GC $3,000
RGC $1,500
3rd $750
4th $500
5th $250
6th $0

Ribbins and such for 6-10 is fine.

Now if you had a $20,000 purse I may see it differently, for example:

1st in each category $1,000, 2nd - 5th the same as a $10K purse

GC - $8,000, RGC $3,500, 3rd - 5th the same as $10K purse.

You would adjust the $ as purses increased, but only pay top 5's. Top 5 out of 50/60 or 70 teams is pretty good - even if it is beginners "luck".

You have to spread the winnings to keep people interested in paying entry fees and increasing the field of teams so we can have BIGGER OVERALL PURSES

My $0.02

[spydermike72]

Yep Wayne, it is a $10k purse...

[BealeStreetWayne]

Originally Posted by spydermike72

Yep Wayne, it is a $10k purse...

My opinion probably doesn't mean much as we cannot be there - but we sure do miss everyone!

[SMOKIN ACES CRAPSHOOT BBQ]

It's time once again for "My 2 Cents".............

I think the majority of those that have posted on this thread agree that the Champ should get the money!!

First off, a $10k purse doesn't come along very often in the State of Michigan. So, for that we all must be thankful!!!

I think you will get a great turn out because of that, but what will help increase that is the payout schedule. I agree with the catagory payouts, but for the overall, if we have a high GC payout I think it will get more people from outside our State lines.

My offering:

GC $3400
RGC $1500
3rd $500
4th $350
5th $250

Again, let's not loose sight of what is being offered here, THE LARGEST PAYOUT OF ANY CONTEST(ok other than Sam's) IN THE STATE!!!

Oh and this is a FIRST YEAR COMP!!!

Peace Out.................

Mark

[spydermike72]

Thanks Mark, that is exactly the kind of input the organizers want. I am helping them but the more data we have the better the decision can be.

Yes it is a first year event and we were looking to get even more prize money for this year but things happen... This year is a dress rehearsal for next year as it will be bigger and better and they will improve based on input from the teams. The Michigan Harley Owners Group has their annual meeting scheduled in Birch Run for 2013 on the same weekend as the contest so we are already thinking about how we can incorporate the 2!!

This year first though.

[Jorge]

Interesting discussion.

As a cook, for years one popular rule of thumb has been that a category win should at least return your entry fee. Paying top 5 overall, could impact that in some cases. Whether a cook nailed a category, or just landed on the right table I think they've earned a reward. There is something to be said for consistency as well, and if the organizer has the funds and the payout structure is reasonable I like paying a little deeper.

With my KCBS hat on, but still speaking solely for myself and not KCBS or the board...

We already require payment 5 places deep in each category. Requiring payment 5 places deep overall could put some contests in a bind. There are some things that I absolutely believe KCBS should require an organizer to provide, but at the same time I don't want to tie their hands to the point that we make putting on a contest more trouble than it's worth to them. I'm willing to look at it, but I'd have to be convinced that there wouldn't be adverse consequences looking at ALL of the contests KCBS sanctions. That number was in excess of 400 last year, and the differences across that field are dramatic in some cases.

Thanks for the brain candy!